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Marine436 · Lamer Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1687

Their needs to be 2 kind's of jailing

ONE: IC for rp

TWO: OOC for moderators and DM's.

im going to focus one ONE in my post, and what *I* think would be the more or less perfect system

1: The person doing the arrested has to A: Sneak up on and make a STR roll on the person whom they are arresting

and if that fails, i would assume a fight goes (their is a option not to fight)

and if the fight is won by the person doing the arresteing, then they get a free arrest, IF NOT, i would think the perosn being arrested would be gone, for some of the other unit's came

NOW once arrested, the jails should be like jail halls with some NPC guard's and you should be able to Escape

the question is how long do we stay their ?
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pyrosmurfs · Master Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Posts: 174

I agree, and about the escaping part. I think if there was a DM online to arrest the person then he would probably still be online for the next few hours. So with the NPC gaurd, the DM could zombie him into, i dunno, taking a break maybe? Or having him slip up and tell another gaurd of hole in the cell. Of course that hole wouldnt be there untill AFTER he slipped up, but I think that would be fun. Although I don't plan on going to jail after all.

I just had a vision about the physical arresting that marine was talking about.

Imagine if you will that Rumanos is to be arrested. So all these gaurds are coming for him and Rumanos finds some ally's to help protect him. So Rumanos runs to the little island out in the Kravenwood Lowlands (i say its an island cuz theres only 1 way on and 1 way off) and moves to the very end of that island. Now there are a mass of ally's between Rumanos and the gaurds. A HUGE battle occurs and all to save the life of Rumanos. Now this WILL be in the RB so keep in mind that the -fight, die, respawn, fight etc.- wont be a problem. So everyone dies except Rumanos and the biggest baddest gaurd. Bodies scattered all over the ground. ohhhhhh boy...

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Drudley · Tue 03/11/03 7:06pm

Who would stick their neck out for Rumanos anyway?

dreamin' · Hero Joined: 11 Nov 2002 Posts: 625

Hm, imho it shouldn't be a str check, especially if the guard managed to sneak up on the target, I'd say a failed spot check of the target combined with a touch attack should be enough then.
If the target person makes his spot, I'd use a str check for fighter guards and a saving throw for spellcaster guards.
The jailtime should be different for different crimes, and escaping shouldn't be possible for a certain amount of time (how realistic would it be for npc guards to let a caged man escape only minutes after he was locked in? escaping should be possible after a while, when the guards are getting bored an lazy)
Oh, and jailtime should be a few days REALTIME, things like murder could have longer jailtimes. At least that's how it works on other servers I play on...

Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

I forget, how does one do a Grapple check again in Pnp? I never use it when I play. I suppose if you had a successful Grapple check done, then that would mean that you've gotten ahold of your target securely. But then, of course, you'd have to keep doing grapple checks or have someone else "bind" them somehow (i.e. tie them up).
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Nei · Hero Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 558

Actually this would be a great idea, Rumanos did get arrested in game. The cooperative effort of 2 members of the White Guard, Marcus, and Nei, were able to subdue, and tie Rumanos, but we couldn't do much of anything with him and after we released him of course he ran off. It would've been perfect if we could've popped him in jail. I really like the idea for one.

Uin · Hardass Joined: 04 Sep 2002 Posts: 1555

Geshtal · Lead Project Manager Joined: 04 Sep 2002 Posts: 1072

There was never IC jailing...the people in Eleriina were still OOC and were mini-moderators.

Anyhow, there will NEVER be OOC jailing...it's handled completely different in RB. IC jailing is possible for those people who have taken over a "fortress/city" that has a jail/dungeon. They can only arrest people in their jurisdiction area and you can never arrest someone if they are in combat. As far as the mechanics, still has to be decided.
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Zedium · Hero Joined: 19 Sep 2002 Posts: 580

so I would have to knock someone out cold if I want to jail him or take him by suprise? it should be possible to jail someone while in battle if you outnumber him IMHO.
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Geshtal · Lead Project Manager Joined: 04 Sep 2002 Posts: 1072

This is why IC jailing was never allowed...there are too make ways to implement it and too many ways to exploit it. And an exploit in this system can RUIN gameplay for some players.

Face it, 90% of you guys are not responsible enough to handle this kind of power.
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Malakalam · High Elder Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 1226

No doubt the dungeons of Bane's Temple will be filled with Cyric's, Helm's, Torm's and Tyr's clerics within a few minutes of such a system going live.. I like it

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Glorin · Thu 03/13/03 1:27am

shut up brant! just shut up brant!

Scorp57 · DysoMOD Joined: 14 Sep 2002 Posts: 393

I'm not talking yet?.....

well it sounds like a plan to be able to jail people ic somehow, but gesh is right about the abuse that would come so I'm sure he'll work some way around that.
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Lucifer · Fri 03/14/03 2:34pm

This topic went in to chaos..

ShadowCore · Great Deity Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 2833

Wow, anyway:

There should be IC jailing, and for OOC stuff, you boot. Simple as that. Jailing shouldn't be IC.

The problem is, finding people who are responsible enough to use the jailing IC in a good way...
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Falkhor · DysoMOD|DM Joined: 14 Sep 2002 Posts: 1264

actually for tuskan we had theorized a system where players could report IC crimes and have the moderator/DM sherrif send out NPC troops to apprehend the villain and throw him in jail or he could issue a warrant and have reliable PC bountyhunters take the job. Also an NPC witness system was theorized where npc's can report crimes happening in plain sight so killing or getting caught stealing is bound to get you on the suspects list. Quite elaborate but it pretty much cut out player interference (and thus player exploits). Mind you, the scripting is only partly done but it looked good on paper.Who needs players when you can get an npc to do the job for you...

Glorin · Sun 03/16/03 1:36am

good old falkwhore