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Spears · Grandmaster Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 428

(( I will update this post to include all the members who have been accepted ))

Tarnished Shield

Our primary goal would be to abolish evil in any way we deem necessary- force will always be our first option, unless we decide otherwise.

(( This differenciates from the OSB in many ways- the OSB usually talks things out, but we on the otherhand resort to fighting and such, which is really what most people want in a fullscale conflict ))

It will be a heirarchy- a ranking system if you will. Commanders will not make descisions alone, but instead rely on the feedback of our other members. (( It is very much based on the OSB ranking system, but with some differences- it will look something like this: ))

Captain(s):

William Spears
Girek Valume

Council:

Selven

Members:

(Pendling application)

Squires:

(Pending application)

This could use some revision, but its a rough sketch of the final painting as it were.

We will allow several alignment groups- mainly CG, CN, NG, TN. Our primary "hang-out" will likely be Eleriina // Kravenwood (so long as the militia doesn't boot us out.) We will also have a uniform- I tend to favor the 'red' color, so maybe the red dragon armour will fit well, but this is negotiable, and can be disregarded as well.

I look forward to your input and reply and/or interest to apply! (( Private message me if you really are keen on joining. ))

Warmest Regards,
William Spears

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Raven · Sun 05/11/03 4:11pm

ShadowCore · Great Deity Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 2833

Oh, great, return of the WHite Rose. Let's see how long it takes before this is corrupted

Edit: Why does everyone feel the need to start a guild all of a sudden? And can't you be more....original(ie. No more "we fight evil" bull. That's way too simple.....)
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guitarrML · Master Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 132

Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

OMG it's the WR all over again.

j/k

I hope this works out. It would be good to have a not-so-goody-2-shoes fighter's guild (not as in "Fighter" only, just one for people who like fightin').
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ShadowCore · Great Deity Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 2833

Ecusidor · Hero Joined: 17 Dec 2002 Posts: 501

Give them a change, see how their guild turns out. Remember, ShadowCore, ppl were also talking bad about the HW when it first started, calling it "Dyso's First Country Club" if I remember correctly. But the HW also turned out to be a fine organiation.
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ShadowCore · Great Deity Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 2833

Yeah, that's why I just wished them luck, but I'm still a sceptic. At least about the originality part, ah well, we'll see

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Spears · Grandmaster Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 428

We really don't aim for orginality- from my time in the OSB, I realized that evil gets away with too damn much, leaving most of us scratching our asses.

Really, the only way to deal with true evil is with force- I remember when I was fighting with Ogt everyone kept telling me that he was playing mind games and whatnot, and thus should be dealt with using his own strategy against him- that doesn't work, he enjoys the attention! If you kill evil and show that you're far superior than they are, they would watch where they step from then on.

I mean, if evil can kill anyone they want (and they do this everyday), at least give us good people a chance to get back at them without having to talk things out! You wouldn't allow a known murderer to run the lands freely- if you hear reports that he struck, they're probably right, why question him and give him a chance to run away?

The main thing about the BTS is that we don't care what people think, because in the long run we're doing the land a favor. The OSB deals with criminals using a code- but our code is to obliterate evil at all costs...

Fight fire with fire- if evil wants to play dirty, then god help me I will too.
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Raven · Mon 05/12/03 8:56pm

Well, no one minds more protection. But if evil was really banished forever, then there would be conflict between the "good" guilds. It's inevitable.

Conrad Hollows · Har-Rhun Project Leader Joined: 07 Sep 2002 Posts: 2161

My only OOC consideration in these matters is that folks who are members of more than one group keep their organizational information to themselves. This is one of those areas where some people firmly believe that a player should not or cannot be a member of more than one possibly conflicting organizations at a time due to conflicting possible ends.

I am not one of those people ... i.e. I believe that a good role player should be more than capable of playing one character for one group and one for another group and not mix their information. That said ... it doesn't take much for one or two people to ruin it by "bleeding" info that two of the player's characters would not normally (or even abnormally) share with each other.
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guitarrML · Master Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 132

_MJ_ · Tue 05/13/03 2:51am

the only thing i have to say on this new guild is william please contact me ic and conrad will understand what i mean when i say "xs?" again?.......

Spears · Grandmaster Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 428

This is not xS again- conflicts between the xS internally caused its downfall. We hope to form a tightly knit brothehood which react to certain things thrown in our path. We don't intend to mold the server to our liking, but vice versa- because thats what life in the real world is. This is what the xS achieved- a union of players. We aren't a union- we are a group of people who RP the legendary battles of good vs evil, without having to discuss politics- its boring, time consuming, and pointless. Remember that xS did not embrace war as thier primary option.

My reasoning for actually starting the Brethren of the Tarnished Shield:

Its like Darkovn- he RPs very well.. the only thing is, he will NEVER allow you to take advantage of him. For example, he says he captures my soul in a ring that doesn't exist... fine by me. Then when I try and do the same, he says his soul is uncapturable, or something of the sort. Evil people think they're so invincible that its annoying! Someone has to step forward and take a swing- we have to knock them back into place. We are a leash of sorts- if they get out of line, we tug. We aren't patient lawful people... we hit something if we don't like it.
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Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

So this is, instead of a Lawful Good organization, definitely a Lawful Neutral or Neutral Good or maybe even any of the Neutrals (except for Neutral Evil).

I mean, smiting someone who is evil just because they're evil isn't necessarily a Good act. You're toeing the line, therefore, you're (something) Neutral.
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Spears · Grandmaster Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 428

Hows this- our intentions are good (because we are good at heart) but we do not use lawful methods to get these intentions accomplished. That would make it chaotic good wouldn't it?

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Malakalam · High Elder Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 1226

palladium - no offense, but darkovn was right.. his soul is elsewhere... hehe

anyway, try to ignore all the people attacking your guild idea, it sounds fine to me, just define it a little stronger and open a new post, ask that people only post whether or not they want to join, and they can discuss it in this thread.
Its about time we had an agressive good group, (as compared to passive like OSB).
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ShadowCore · Great Deity Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 2833

guitarrML · Master Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 132

I may be off base on this (correct me if I am Palladium), but I believe we will react to those caught in the act of doing evil.....ie someone killing someone, rp trash talking (for lack of a better phrase) someone else (of course in this case I doubt our reaction would be to kill them), etc. I hadn't planned on just killing someone who is evil for two reasons 1) my character doesn't know they are evil unless heard through the grapevine in-game or in the ic forum, so it would be poor roleplay to react and 2) I don't believe my character would have a problem with the existence of evil in the land (as there are a bunch of trolls, skellies, etc.), but rather the evil actions those that are evil take.

Make sense? Looking at my post it looks confusing to me, but hopefully the point came through somehow.

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Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

Exactly to Shadowcore. And yes, you guys could certainly have Lawful Neutral people in your group, as a matter of fact they would make the best leaders - or maybe True Neutral - because they would be the ones who would keep everyone in line, and kick out those who acted up too much.

If you're going to have a rule which is "kill anything evil", then that makes you at least a little Lawful, because it's a rule you follow no matter what, but it does NOT make you Good (necessarily), because you most certainly can have an evil reason for wanting to kill evil things. However, if you take more of a stand like the Order of the Howling Wolf, which is no set rules at all - in other words, take each situation as you find it and deal with it in your own way - then you're Chaotic. But you see, we believe that mercy should usually be granted, and things observed and possibly talked out instead of killing - therefore we lean towards Good.

Remember, when determining alignment, it's generally: "Ethical Moral".

I'm glad you guys are giving something like this a go because far too often what the OSB does/did smacked of Lawful Neutral, not Lawful Good like they're all supposed to be.
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Conrad Hollows · Har-Rhun Project Leader Joined: 07 Sep 2002 Posts: 2161

pssst ... the OSB doesn't have a set alignment on LG ... it is actually made up of members who are LG, LN and NG. The end result of that is that it is often seen as more LN than LG and that's what happens when you operate within the tenets of the law where even the "evil" are believed to have rights.
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M-K · Elder Joined: 01 Oct 2002 Posts: 755

only one point enjoy yourself fighting the battle against reason ..but except for dear Darkovyn and a few more there is little Evil for you to fight here.Unless things change this guild will at best be a Darkovyn fan club for there are few other reasons for its existance.The thieves aint evil as such there just making a living the only way they kno
I mean the lets look we have the OSB the Druids these Shield Guys the Elerina White Gaurds and on and on and on....what evil guilds are there ??? few and far between.Why most players seem to think they get more advantages by claiming to be good and supporting these worthy causes though usually there actions and behaviour say otherwise.Seriously Palladium if you want to improve RP and fun on the server go over to the dark side make a Group of Dark warriors Mercenaries ...Fallen Paladins seeking refuge in this new land.We dont really need another snivelling Goody look at me Im wonderfull WR clone though this time well be good .We have enuf of that already seriusly look ....the more balance G/E the more tension the more strife the more polarisation of players .And thus more intrest and hopefully enjoyment.Palladium forsake your corrupt gods embrace the dark side.
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Jase · Elder Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 951

The Druids may LOOK good or bad but we kill the bad AND good guys to keep the balance. We are indiffrent. We attempt to make peace and keep a balance between all forces. Without Evil there would be no Good and vise versa.
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Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

Ah! Thank You, Conrad....I forgot that the OSB was not just a bunch of true-blue Paladins.

So it sounds like, how the OHW is a little of the OSB and the Druids mixed, the BTS will be somewhere between the OHW and the OSB.

Good thing we've got the Scamps to balance things out!

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Spears · Grandmaster Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 428

After much discussion with my colleague, we have decided to change the guild to evil (because of the suggestions we have receieved).

Forum mods, feel free to lock/delete this topic, as I will be starting a new post with our new charter. Thanks

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Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

Sweet! A truly Evil Guild!

Will you take Lawful Evil people???
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Uin · Thu 05/15/03 11:23am

MK, way back I tried to start a Black Knights guild, LE/NE. No-one joined, but maybe I could resurrect it, you or anyone else wanna help?