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Do you play as a Ranger?
Yes, pure class.
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Yes, multiclass, but mainly Ranger levels.
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Yes, multiclass, but Ranger is not main class.
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Yes, multiclass, but only one Ranger level.
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NO! RANGER SUXX0rz!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:31 pm    Post subject: Where's the love for the Ranger? Reply with quote

Hey. Anyone else play a Ranger on here?

I was looking around trying to spread some gold to the merchants, and I didn't see any Ranger-specific gear. Is there a secret Ranger tree house somewhere in the lost woods? I get lost everytime I go in there, so I rarely visit. If anyone is looking for item ideas or whatnot, maybe a Ranger-specific themed gear package: i.e. shortsword, dagger, light armor with hide bonus, camo-colored, some archery-boosting gloves (since archer rangers are actually worse than fighter, rogue, bard archers) matching helmet, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way I had fun with Raisthenal was making him Ranger 12/Fighter 8. That gave me plenty of Feats to play with. This way, along with starting with a 16 STR and DEX, I made him excellent with hand-to-hand AND a bow (Focus, Specialization, and Imp.Critical with both). You can choose to beef up STR or DEX as you level to focus on either the melee or ranged, but I'd recommend DEX because you need Light Armor for Dual-Weild to work, and the Padded Armor called Armor of Fleetness gives you Haste, freeing up your boots (it's a +3 to AC, useable at L15). I used a 2-bladed sword because I figured a Ranger would like something that's kind of like a Quarterstaff, and this took advantage of his dual-weilding capability. He also had Cleave and Knockdown (but not Imp.), and Dodge and of course Rapid Shot and Point Blank Shot, and some others.

One Caveat for now, though: until 1.31 comes out and they fix Point Blank Shot, you're ranged attack will absolutely SUCK at anything other than the highest levels. So I'm not redoing him until then.

I'm also thinking of maybe focusing a little less on the melee thing and mixing in a little Arcane Archer with Wizard instead of Fighter....Rangers are awesome, because they're so versitile!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the PHB, double weapons are not allowed for the Ranger dual-weild feats. Is this different in NWN?

Regardless, I am a Halfling, so I cant use them anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't have used one if it didn't work! icon_wink.gif

Ah, didn't know you're still playing a Halfie. I'd say that a Shortsword/Kukri would work best (Kukri's are Tiny Weapons). Wicked-bad Crit Range with a Keen Kukri!
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PostThu 07/10/03 3:03pm
Actually, right now I am leaning to either short sword/dagger or dual dagger. Exotic feat is a waste for me right now.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that that can be tough, but think of it like this:

1. With a Keen Kukri with Imp.Crit., your Crit Range is 12-20.
2. With a Shortsword/Kukri combo, you're doing Piercing *and* Slashing. One reason why I like my Human Rogue/Ranger creation to dual-weild Morningstar/Handaxe - then I get all 3 damage types!
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PostThu 07/10/03 3:15pm
Yeah, I dont have two spare feats for the kukri. Dagger in the offhand does just fine for the cost.  Reply with quote
 
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You forgot the No option.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:

According to the PHB, double weapons are not allowed for the Ranger dual-weild feats.

What's that supposed to mean? That rangers get Dual Wield feat, but they are not allowed to use two weapons? icon_confused.gif
Would someone please shed some light on the subject?

And I only use one shortsword with my rogue. Wasting three feats just to get two extra attacks is not my idea of fun.
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PostThu 07/10/03 4:42pm
No, Kindo, the dual weapons such as that double-axe, dpuble-sword and what not.
You know, a pole with a weapon on both sides, those thingies.
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i love rangers...i always used to multi class into um...but now i found a new love...shadowdancer....  Reply with quote
 
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Thank you, ShadowCore. Me understands nows!  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShadowCore wrote:
No, Kindo, the dual weapons such as that double-axe, dpuble-sword and what not.
You know, a pole with a weapon on both sides, those thingies.


They can use any two-sided weapons as if fighting with the two-weapons feat. They essentially get Ambidexterity and Two Weapon Fighting for free, provided they wear nothing heavier than light (pretty sure, might be medium) armor.

Now personally, I love rangers. They are a pure RP class. Sure, their spells aren't great, but cool none the less. I like them a lot! icon_smile.gif
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PostThu 07/10/03 8:44pm
In NWN, but PnP they cant...  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At Ranger Level 1 one gets a Ranger-specific (meaning no other class gets this) Feat called "Dual-Weild". Dual-Weild grants the EXACT same benefits as having both the Ambidexterity and Two-Weapon Fighting Feats. However, in order to get these benefits, one must be wearing Light Armor or less (Padded, Robes).

Also, at the Ranger Level 9, one gets the Improved Two-Weapon Fighting Feat for free.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

also at tha first lvl you get a feat that adds +4 bonus to hide and move silent checks when your in a forest area... icon_wink.gif icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RANGERS Suxx0rZ,

honestly wahts the point in being a ranger? I don't get it.....i mean you could take 9 fighter levels and get Two WEp,Imp two wep, and Ambi, all right in there....I don't understand..And Rangers are supposed to be great Archers but they have no Bonus with the Bow whatsoever...Rogues make better archers...and a wiz/rogue/arcane archer with SoU seems more of a sensible combo that a ranger....
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PostThu 07/10/03 10:34pm
I agree with Glorin, the Ranger Suxzorz. I suppose it is a great roleplay class, but useless in my opinion.  Reply with quote
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fighters don't get spells though. They also don't get favored enemy (undead is the way to go! icon_wink.gif ) Rangers also get a LOT more class skills than fighters do. Not to mention, have a lot more role play value too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But Fighters have 10 more feats than rangers, 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can specialise in two different weapons, ranged and melee if you want.

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10!!!!!!!!!!!!


edit: but you win on rp value though
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I Dual-Class Ranger/Fighter, Z. Being able to Specialize in my two-handed sword AND bow, or my Morningstar, Handaxe, and Bow, rocks.

Glorin and Red, shut up. Or I'll put you out on the Range. With the Cows.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AliZee' wrote:
i love rangers...i always used to multi class into um...but now i found a new love...shadowdancer....


TOLD YOU ALI Shadow dancer is the BEST


and Z rangers get the good ole attack bonus to 5 different typs o monsters

but only at level 20 emot-yum.gif for the lub of DnD read the manual
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PostMon 09/15/03 1:32pm
Actually its not an attack bonus, its a damage bonus.

RTFM.
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I like playing rangers from a pure role playing point of view. But when I indulge my inner power gamer I realize that unless the mod makes areas that allow rangers to take advantage of ranger tracking/outdoors/ranger-specific-items/animals-to-commune-with benefits then there is not too much advantage to rangers.

What would rangers like to see in a mod?

Ranger specific bows, light weapons and light armor.
There is little reason to go 20 classes of ranger, Maybe make some rare items that require over 9 levels of ranger. Perhaps make a very good thing that requires 20 Ranger levels.

Items that boost little used ranger skills / spells.

Lots of animals in the woods. Animals usually arn't very powerful or worth taming, maybe make some more powerful animals for rangers to use as pets.
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PostMon 09/15/03 7:10pm
I have seen a lot of animals in Har Rhun, including pseudo dragons in the wild.  Reply with quote
 
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Dyso actually has several items that rangers use which are really good....

I obtained them all through a Dm event before moved.... really good stuff when combined a ranger would be almost unbeatable when useing it


as for the animal thing I am I totally agree, modules need good animals for druids and rangers to tame
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we need STRONG animals...as of right now monsters in tha wild have like maybe 10 hp or sumthin...no melee' power to speak of...need to make some animals or creatures that are tamamble that actually are worth taming.
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Remember Animal empathy works on more than just animals; beasts and magical beasts are also inculded in that skill. You can dominate things like manticores, grey renders and such with that skill. Rangers are good in my opinion for specialized characters such as a "dragon slayer" or a "bounty hunter" Those favored enemy feats can really come in handy sometimes. Personally I like a Ranger/fighter/rogue combination with a primary weapon being a bow then something like rapier/kukri, or even dual kukris in melee. It's all about the criticals, especially with those favored enemy damage bonuses. icon_wink.gif Well, there's my little piece on Rangers.
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