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Marine436 · Lamer Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Posts: 1687

1. Why Doesnt my Cleric have Cats grace, i need this.

2. Any way to change domains, i picked Death, and i Really shouldnt have for many reasons, if not, im just not useing it.

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3. is their anyway, for a Chaotic Good Cleric to Justify, useing undead
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Foozbane · Elder Joined: 03 Sep 2002 Posts: 724

1. To get Cat's Grace take the War domain (may be in others but definitely in War).

2. No way to change domains, other than starting over.

3. I have trouble thinking up a "valid" RP reason why a CG cleric would raise undead to do their bidding, though I don't think it would be strictly impossible to make one up ... there's a discussion on this topic here:
http://www.nwnmodules.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2172

Marine436 · Thu 03/27/03 10:37pm

thanks fooz !

that makes perfect sense, Nel would do anything to Defeat evil ! even use it !

gaea106 · Hero Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 633

I agree with Fooz on the alignment playing, don't let it rule how you play.

As for thinking of a way of roleplaying the undead use within the alignment, I can think of several. She is very Chaotic, perhaps she wants to use undead because she knows it frightens her enemies. Or she is good and can't stand the thought of a real creature dying in battle so she uses the death magic to prevent as much loss of life as possible...
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ShadowCore · Great Deity Joined: 25 Nov 2002 Posts: 2833

Hmm, basically, I CAN'T think of any good reason for a good-guy to use undead. I remember reading in some D&D books, that while animating the dead isn't necessarily a completely evil thing to do, it is absolutely NOT a good thing to do.

But you should indeed play a character, not an alignment.
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RedStorm · Fri 03/28/03 1:55pm

Undead are net,NOT EVIL,but nel is evil so who cares?

dreamin' · Hero Joined: 11 Nov 2002 Posts: 625

Malakalam · High Elder Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 1226

spell has the evil modifer as well, shouldn't be cast by a good cleric

things could be different in the forgotten realms though, I just found out yesterday that bioware didnt screw up the monk multiclassing, in forgotten realms monks can multiclass without giving up advancement in thier monk class.

Book of Vile Darkness :
under "acts of evil"
ANIMATING THE DEAD OR CREATING UNDEAD
Unliving corpses--corrupt mockeries of life and purity--are inherently evil. Creating them is one of the most heinous crimes against the world that a character can commit. Even if they are commanded to do something good, undead invariably bring negative energy into the world, which makes it a darker and more evil place.

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Geeze, I hadn't realized it was THAT bad.

Also - for the summon shadow spell, thats summoning a negative plane avatar, which I assume leaks quite a bit more negative energy into the world than just an undead.
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Maelstrom696969 · Lamer Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Posts: 1837

Yes, Undead are at best Neutral, but usually never even that unless there is some RP reason for a Player-Character who's been turned undead to be not-so-evil. But I give another vote to playing your Character, not your alignment. If you're Good but you start messing around with Necromancy, you'll probably end up being Neutral at least, which isn't so bad.

A Good Cleric might raise the undead once in a great while to glean extremely important information from them from when they were living, but then s/he would destroy them immediately once they were done with them.
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Cherrn · Grandmaster Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 280

Ah good character should never pick death domain, that is very bad RP. For what reason would a good character, one who fights evil and protects all that is good and pure, animate the bodies of the dead to do their bidding? The part about using others to further your own aim is in the essence evil, and the fact that you also disrupt and make a mockery of the dead creature/person whom you animate would make it evil.

If Nel worships Selune Marine, then you could have picked something like Chaos and/or good, she is Chaotic Good after all. Her other domains are Moon, Protection, and Travel.

One should not pick a domain because of the inherent advantages but because of something that would fit the dogma of your god. I would never in my wildest dreams (they are wild sometimes) associate Selune with Death. You wouldn't associate Kossuth the Flame Lord with Water either would you ? Only thing you can do is to remake your character if you made a wrong choice. Either live with the fact that it is purely bad RP, or remake him/her. If you are an RP'er you wouldn't mind making a new one since as an RP'er being high lvl shouldn't be essential.
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Nei · Hero Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 558

heh, if you wanna do that Lilly will assist in pounding Nel back to the stone age.

But I certainly see a cool RP oppertunity here, whether it'll happen or not I've yet to see.

PaulJonas · Adept Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Posts: 36

Fact is that there really aren't enough offensive spells in the game to start picking and choosing them based on ones alignment. This is especially true when there are baddies that are immune to practically everything but death magic. If there was a plethera of spells to choose from then I would completely agree that undead and death magic is out of character for a good cleric, but that just isn't the case. Besides, I don't see anyone saying the evil ppl shouldn't be able to cast bless or rez ppl.